Many have read and commented on Bot Executioner Goenitz’s stand on botting in Philippine Ragnarok Online. The reactions, I could say, was very lively and even lead to discussions on gaming principles and philosophies between certain players. But what of the other side of the coin?
If Goenitz is the alleged hero of the pRO anti-botters, what does the alleged hero of the pRO botters have to say on the issue? Find out after the jump!
The Master’s Den welcomes Halloween’s Day with a special exclusive interview with one of the driving forces behind OpenKore, the most successful Ragnarok 3rd Party Program to date. This elusive person likes to sport an alias that has become a household name in the botting community. Is he/she Filipino? He/she neither confirms or denies. Well enough of the chatter, let’s get this interview started!
Master Diwa: What is your real name/screename/alias?
kaliwanagan: kaliwanagan.
MD: Why did you create Openkore? For what purpose?
k: I did not create OpenKore. Please see the Openkore website for some Openkore history.
MD: *reads* Oh my bad, you see lately Openkore has been highly associated with you that’s why rumors tell you created it, glad you cleared that up. The website was… err… very educational.
MD: Botters love you, non-botters hate you, but which side are you really on?
k: Like the Buddhists, I prefer the middle way.
MD: How did you react when you first learned that people have been using OpenKore to abuse the pRO Servers?
k: I have always believed that tools are morally-neutral; that is, they are neither inherently good nor evil. A tool can be used or abused. The way a tool is [ab]used does not speak of the tool - it speaks of the person [ab]using it.
MD: Interesting, how does it feel that your OpenKore project is now a worldwide phenomenon in MMOs?
k: A lot of people have never heard of OpenKore (or Ragnarok Online). I think we’re just very much biased about this since we have been players for quite a long time already. Now, the word “bot” is a worldwide phenomenon, and Google is too. Maybe it so happens that searching for Ragnarok Bot in Google brings up OpenKore in the first page.
MD: I think you’re being modest haha, anyway what can you say now that international “abusive players” are using Openkore?
k: I’m not sure what you mean by abusive players. In any case, it doesn’t matter if abusive players are using OpenKore. What bugs me is that there are abusive players in general. OpenKore or not, there will always be abusive players, and they will use whatever tools they happen to have their hands on to pursue their goals.
MD: What can you say about Level Up’s anti-botting campaign?
k: It tickles. Meaning that it can be felt, so they are doing “something,” but I don’t think it’s very effective (yet).
MD: Can you really say that LU has done some progress in the campaign against abusive botters?
k: The Midgard Police is a start, and merging with Netgames (leading to the sacking of some questionable employees) was beneficial too. The current setup is a lot better than it was a couple of years ago - a pity they didn’t start it early.
MD: What can you suggest that LU do to produce more results in their campaign?
k: More transparency. They should not treat their players as if they won’t understand the motives and reasons behind an action. For example, they tried to mask Hollegrehen’s disappearance with a 50% off “event.” It would have been better if they had stated outright then and there that they are having probems with the forging formulas. We will understand (after all, it *is* your **** up - why do we have to suffer for it and at the same time, be ignorant of what we’re suffering from?)
MD: Can you cite examples of Ragnarok publishers who are actually doing good in handling the abusive botters?
k: Malaysia RO (mRO) has this system where you link your account to your cellphone i.e. no cellphone, no account. Of course their cellphone system there is different than ours.
• Europe RO (euRO) has *lots* of GM volunteers that are not paid with money, but with gametime. They are very responsive and will even respond to harassment reports and ks reports.
• International RO (iRO) GMs actually *reply* to your tickets like a human being.
MD: According to you, a bot is like a double edged knife, it can both be used for good and bad things. Can you give us examples of good uses of botting and their effects?
k: In Valkyrie, there are a lot of things denied to a player (like overupgrades, equipment, zeny, etc.) so the easiest way to level a character in the build you want is to leech it. Sometimes you can’t find a party (or can’t pay) to leech you, so you have to do it yourself. But you only have a single computer and you can’t run two RO clients (and even if you could, the CPU usage will fry the computer). Best way is to have the leeched account botted while you manually play the other leeching account.
• Sometimes I run very complex spreadsheet formulas or compile projects that take up all CPU processing. Using the RO client to vend while doing these would make the calcuations and compilations grind to a halt. I’d rather use a bot there - less CPU used (especially if I’m going on an overnight vend - less electricity used).
• GMs in euRO have this thing called gm-bot - players will send a private message to this character and the message gets delivered to an IRC room where GM Bot Hunters stay and socialize. One of the GM Bot Hunters responds to the report and does a bot check. It’s very effective.
• iRO and euRO have this site called iro.snipah.com - it is an automated price check whose data is collected by a bot.
• euRO also has a War of Emperium occupation database (sorry, forgot the site) that logs in the exact time and date when a certain Castle has been conquered, and by whom. It’s very useful for strategic planning (for example if you’re planning to conquer a certain Castle and observe that a specific guild usually takes it last-minute).
• If I need 100 fluff for the sign quest, it’s helluva boring to kill fabres for it. I’ll just run a bot to collect those fluff.
MD: Can you give us examples of bad uses of botting and their effects?
k: Bot armies.
• Kill stealing bots.
• Those used to exploit server flaws (like double deal bugs, duplication, etc.)
• Just take a look at RagnaBoards and you’d find many more.
A working Openkore Bot (taken from Google)
MD: You said it countless times that bots were created to help the game creators realize the flaw of the game, but how do feel that the very same bots have become the drug that abusive players have become addicted to?
k: If a person has insufficient will, he will succumb to drugs in whatever form or shape. I know of people that are addicted to Decolgen or Coke. Besides, it helps that abusive players are using bots because it is a reminder to LU! that there *are* abusive players playing in their servers, and that they should do something about it.
MD: Can you comment about how OpenKore invaded Thor?
k: Here’s an excerpt from my blog entry regarding Thor:
Thorians have such a huge ego. What do you mean “good thing they’re not developing OK specifically for Thor?” What makes you think a server that has less than 50 people in it would get the attention of international developers?
The only reason Thor was infiltrated by bots was because LU used *old* technology. Think of it this way: there is a certain locksmith named Gravity and it designed a very complicated lock. It so happens a group named OpenKore reverse engineered the lock, and made the information/schematics of the lock known to all. Now, LU is building a house and says “let’s use this lock by Gravity - it’s complicated and we paid really good money for it.”
Right now the focus is on encrypted packet prefixes, and Gravity has been scrimping again in development (they were cracked in a few days by kLabMouse). Now I’m not very familiar with that anti-bot patch Mr. Brand Manager of RO2 was talking about but like I mentioned before: if they are gonna implement encrypted packet prefixes or the mRO login pin, they’re too late. It’s been cracked *months* ago.
On a happier note, I like to think of my crusade as that of an immunization shot to strengthen the body’s immune system. You know those shots - they contain a very mild form of a virus or bacteria, which makes the body produce antibodies and white blood cells to try to kill them off. That way. when a really powerful virus comes the body is prepared - or so the theory goes. The problem is, if the body refuses to fight the immunization; for example in AIDS patients. The immunization shot can kill them.
In case of RO, bots are the immunization shots - they expose rather convincingly the loopholes in the system. The real problems are those that can cause really massive damages - for example, the dupe problem, edited stats, scammers and hackers, and all those. Believe it or not they are *worse* but currently it seems that botting is a lot worse. Why is that? Because the body’s immune system is refusing to produce enough antibodies and whitecells to combat them!
Just imagine if there are enough MPs, GMs (or White Blood Cells if you will) patrolling the server. This is the case in euRO. They have this bot (yes, a BOT) you can send a private message to and it is linked to an IRC room where GMs idle. You can send bot reports, scam reports, and generally questions about the game or about support (like for example getting a character stuck after a teleport). A GM will then respond either through the bot (in case of questions) or jail botters/scammers/whatnot. I really liked the centralized system they developed, and I have been saying this over and over: these GMs are not paid - they are just volunteers, just like our MPs are.
MD: What do you think of Midgard Police Goenitz saying that he thinks your bot making is opposite of your goals?
k: LU! has not been serious in its actions. It takes two to Tango, and LU! is not doing everything it can to ensure the satisfaction of its customers. If you insist to pin blame, it should be on LU!. They are, after all, the game publishers. It’s highly ineffective for a business to blame some environmental phenomenon that caused its problems in the bottom line - the fact is, businesses have to *deal* with it, not pin blame.
MD: Are there other game masters or people with similar positions that talk directly against you (like Goenitz) in RO games of other countries? How do they differ in stand?
k: I don’t really know, sorry.
MD: Oh ok, now how do RO games of other countries perceive bots? How do they perceive you?
k: Frankly I have no idea. I don’t know how to read Japanese or Portuguese or Russian or whatever.
MD: Hahaha, good one! If you are offered a Job in Level Up / Gravity, would you step up to help stop botting?
k: Yes I will.
MD: Great! Why not create an anti-bot program rather than make one?
k: I have been involved in both sides of botting and bot-protection, which is why OpenKore has evolved (similar to LU! in fact). Only by subjecting OpenKore to a good anti-bot program will it improve. That said, if it makes OpenKore a lot better, I am not opposed to designing an anti-bot system. Of course, OpenKore will step up the challenge.
MD: Tell us something most people and anti-botters percieve about you most incorrectly in real life? Would you say you are doing evil for the greater good?
k: + I believe they call it “Practical Idealism:”it’s a term whose earliest recorded use was by Mahatma Gandhi (Gandhi Marg 2002). It describes a philosophy which holds it to be an ethical imperative to implement ideals of virtue or good. It further holds it to be equally immoral to either refuse to make the compromises necessary to realise high ideals or to discard ideals in the name of expediency. Practical idealism in its broadest sense can be compared to utilitarianism in its emphasis on outcomes, and to political economy and enlightened self-interest in its emphasis on the alignment of what is right with what is possible.
• There are things worse than botting: harassment, kill stealing, duping (which has been there since almost the beginning of pRO), bug exploits, etc. But botting is the most visible and most benign - and the easiest to defend against. The desired outcome is for LU! to institute a system of protective agents that will initalliy arrest the proliferation of bots in th servers, and after successfully accomplishing that task, serve as a preventive measure for the other problems. I’m glad LU! finally started the MP project (which has been really overdue imho).
MD: Has anyone else asked you for an interview? If yes, why is it only now that you agreed? If no, why not?
k: Nobody. I’m not sure, maybe they didn’t know how to contact me?
MD: By the way, I asked some close friends in RO if there are some questions they want to ask you, here are some of them:
What do you benefit from creating bots?
k: I did not create OpenKore. That said, I help developing because it is a learning experience for me.
Is it really possible to totally stop botting in pRO?
k: If by totally stop botting you mean completely prevent any kind of third party program to enter, then that is impossible. Technology always has its limitations. However, if you mean a system to immediately rectify any breaches of game integrity, then with the proper amount of corporate will it is possible.
If the real Ragnadefender gets implemented in pRO. Will that finally make you stop from updating kore?
k: I haven’t updated OpenKore in a long time - my function has shifted more and more towards mentoring new developers. I may not be updating it, and maybe no one else from the team will, but there will always be somebody with the technical expertise to do so. That is the power of Open Source - even if all the original creators of the software are gone, there is nothing to prevent another person from continuing the project. It’s the ultimate guarantee.
RO is losing players. Does you see yourself making updates when there are few players?
k: Same as above.
Botting clearly entails unfair advantage, and many kids use this. Aren’t you instilling a culture of corruption by using underhanded means for the reasoning of one’s own welfare?
k: That would be the same argument as the one asking knife makers to dull their blades so that people can’t use them to kill. If corruption is the greater goal, then I believe it should be the parents who should educate their children about it. Shifting the blame to the toolmaker is simply avoiding responsibility. A righteous man is not righteous because of the *absence* of temptation; he is righteous because he *chooses* to become so *in spite of* temptation.
Did gravity realy leak the source for kore?
k: That has gotta be the most stupid rumor I have heard.
MD: Hahaha! Now for some final words. What is your message to Level Up Games and Gravity?
k: LU! - you need to be more serious than this. And your customers think too.
• Gravity (Korea) - I doubt they read Filipino blogs (lol)
MD: What is your message for the botters out there?
k: If the bot has helped you in some way, have the conscience to help back. Try looking at the source. Read the comments. Find out why a certain block of code was designed in such a way. Help out newbies in the forums. Don’t modify the bot to kill steal. Don’t run bot armies.
MD: What is your message for the non-botters?
k: I admire your courage in the midst of temptation, and I am sure this will help you later on in your life. For the vocal anti-botters, talk is cheap. I am waiting for you to take action - action is what matters. Sometimes I think your words in RB only fall in deaf ears (and come to think of it, how many times has RB been wiped? What happens now to your posts?). Stay vigilant.
MD: Any final words to our readers?
k: I’ve seen the preliminary reactions, and the common argument saying that if I stop updating OpenKore, the botting will stop. Well let’s face the facts: I have indeed stopped updating OpenKore since last year. My last involvement was with the Thor padded packets. But look at now - OpenKore is still going strong. Valkyrie was easily infiltrated using a minor tweaked version of OpenKore - no major changes were made. It was also a very easy tweak, and one that can take an average IQ guy that reads the documentation of OpenKore mere weeks to produce his own bot updates. The reason? Again, obsolete locks.
As I have campaigned over and over, the *only* way to defend against Artificial Intelligence is through Human Intelligence, not another AI. The MP system is a really good start, and I wish LU! would consider increasing their ranks. That way, when the bot problems are reduced to a minimum, the MP system will finally start addressing the real problems of RO: hackers, scammers, kill stealers, bug exploiters, harassment, and all those other things that makes a newbie’s life in RO not that enjoyable.
MD: That was a very enlightening talk indeed. Thank you very much kaliwanagan. As for you, the reader, I hope you enjoyed this special interview feature on The Master’s Den! Keep coming back for more!
HAPPY HALLOWEEN EVERYONE!
157 Comments Received
October 31st, 2007 @5:45 am
sana itigil na ung bot….hehe….
October 31st, 2007 @6:08 am
GO wooters GO!
October 31st, 2007 @6:46 am
Wenk. Mario, while this guy did support the development of bots, he merely used them as a tool to show LU the problems with their technology AND techniques for dealing with cheaters in general. In fact, if you notice in the last part, HE ACTUALLY WANTS PEOPLE TO STOP WITH THE BOT ARMIES.
I think he thinks it’s alright to have maybe 1 ~ 3, maybe 5 bots at most, but ONLY for gaming purposes. For anyone to make it a serious 24/7 moneymaking business and botting 20 ~ 50 bot army accounts at any given time, that’s just outright stupid because it’s no longer a game for whoever does that.
I guess I can agree with him about one thing: bots would be tools whose benefits or harms would be mostly dished out by the ones who wield it.
Buti nga sana kung yung mga nag bot / bot army sa Thor eh dinonate lahat ng zeny na naipon nila sa Sanctuary, kahit galit halos lahat sa kanila.
I have a less distasteful view of bots after that interview, but it’s rather sad that cheaters (I’ll probably use the term “botters” more sparingly from now on) still do everything in their power to cheat.
And yeah, non-botters shouldn’t just stop and whine, but also report bots to the proper authorities… and at the same time those authorities should start moving faster, even recruit players as bot hunters for jailing purposes.
LU doesn’t realize how many players are eager to work FOR FREE just to keep the server(s) they love bot-free.
October 31st, 2007 @6:47 am
Nice Interviews..
October 31st, 2007 @6:58 am
gO openkore!!
wEEE!!
October 31st, 2007 @7:10 am
Please remember what kaliwanagan said.
“Don’t modify the bot to kill steal. Don’t run bot armies.”
October 31st, 2007 @7:11 am
AGREE aq sau kaliwanagan.. kala q magagalit aq dhl galit aq s bot… pero nice
useful nmn talaga bot, pinapadali talaga nito laro.. kaso sana lang tag isa lng ng bot, galit n q pag 3 or more… garapal e..
nag rereport aq ng bot s valkyrie, pero inaamin q nagbot aq s freya, pero isang acct lng un…. tama na isang acct n bot s valkyrie guys
October 31st, 2007 @7:13 am
ganda nung picture ung double edge knife = bot. may picture pa eh hahah. idol ko si kaliwanagan pero hindi ako nagbobot . 2 yrs na ako hindi bot hehe. panget ang bot hindi mo talga maeenjoy ang laro. bkit nga ba nag lalaro tayo ng RO? para lumakas? RO is for making friends.
lagi kc gusto lumamang sa kapwa hehe.
October 31st, 2007 @7:17 am
actually, tama sya ang tunay na problema ay ang mga scammers, hackers and bug exploiters…
sana mga damihan pa nila MP lolz
October 31st, 2007 @7:45 am
Grand.
He’s right… my yapping against bots in RB hasn’t done much for the system.
Haha. Thanks for that. Action time it is then.
October 31st, 2007 @7:47 am
These words can only be spoken (or typed) by a programmer.
Very well said.
October 31st, 2007 @8:04 am
WOW!! very well said mr Heero… agree me sa pinagsasabi mo.
Kahit isa lang bot ko ititigil ko if there will be actions from LU gaya ng itaas exp katamad kayang 1.5x lng tapos 1 oras ka na eh d ka pa nakaka 10% tapos mappk ka pa.
SAKA paayos naman ng system gaganahan ka ba nyan kung lage SIRA lalo na PARTY hmmp
October 31st, 2007 @8:07 am
Nice Kali!
kali is correct do the action LU! interview is useless
go openkore!
October 31st, 2007 @8:29 am
Wow. I really do think LU has the potential to eliminate bots. I mean, they hire graduates of CTechs and stuff like that, like other admins in private servers. Those private servers are like so strict when it comes to botting, to the extent that no one ever really tries to use bots anymore. I just don’t understand why LU still can’t make the hang of it. I think… they’re just acting it out that they would ban them… haha. prolly?
I mean, let’s face it. Bots are uber useful. But some people just tend to take it for granted. Light is right. Bots are to be used in a right way, not like a hell spammage! Haha.
I dunno… I’m pro bot. I came from the other commercial server and those guilds (THAT ARE NOW THE REPRESENTATIVE OF PHIL.)
ARE using bot. From character leveling, to guild leveling, and not to mention the harvesting of supplies and so-called sahod.
@Diwa
I appreciate you being headstrong. Being a model to others.
But what i’m saying is, look outside the box. Look on the bigger picture.
@LU
Bot is a smaller issue compared to hacking, scamming, abusing bugs and other stuff in particular. These issues come in great deal of negative attitudes and personality. I have no idea why they would have to ditch issues of hacking and stuff…
Well this is just my opinion ight? Go on and comment on this issue. And BTW, don’t be one sided.
`peace out.
October 31st, 2007 @9:02 am
Openkore FTW!
October 31st, 2007 @9:13 am
Guys please dont spam Diwa’s site ( It messes up the blog too)
@ RB being wiped.
More like an upgrade, when we moved to different forum hosters they close the old one. Then when they make a major version upgrade the forum gets wiped as well. Its not in our hands.
Depends also on the package limitation and amount of memory we are allowed in a forum.
Why do you think we have limitation on signature sizes?
IMO Kaliwanagan has a few misconceptions of his own ( lack of other information accessible) Which I dont blame him becuase he only sees what other customers see.
Great Interview Diwa btw
October 31st, 2007 @9:14 am
This is my favorite :
“Botting clearly entails unfair advantage, and many kids use this. Aren’t you instilling a culture of corruption by using underhanded means for the reasoning of one’s own welfare?
k: That would be the same argument as the one asking knife makers to dull their blades so that people can’t use them to kill. If corruption is the greater goal, then I believe it should be the parents who should educate their children about it. Shifting the blame to the toolmaker is simply avoiding responsibility. A righteous man is not righteous because of the *absence* of temptation; he is righteous because he *chooses* to become so *in spite of* temptation.”
This would definitely be in my notes.
wtf dude?! you should write a book or something! Go!
October 31st, 2007 @9:30 am
lol@Philippine Botters Alliance
Sometimes, I think people like these are really anti-botter trolls. These trolls do these so that people will look down upon botters.
It’s a conspiracy.
October 31st, 2007 @9:35 am
kali! two thumbs up! xD
October 31st, 2007 @10:17 am
Botting, in any way IS cheating. No matter how you use it, no matter how you defend it. Its still a cheat because you gain more advantage than the manual players. But then again, LU! must wake up for their customers to stay with them. After all, money is what we use to buy merchandise. Not principles.
October 31st, 2007 @10:48 am
I’m just appalled at the pro/anti botters that plague entries like this. Yes, any form of cheating is still cheating (and I won’t be surprised if people who bot are also people who copy from the “geniuses” who actually study in school, or do lots of goofing off in their spare times), but being a person of principle I kinda understand what he’s trying to pull off.
Think of it as an attempt at reverse psychology: by improving the bots, he tries to force LU into realizing the need to improve their own anti-bot tactics. Kumbaga parang sa mga sine, minsan nagiging masama ang isang kalaban para makita ng sistema kung ano dapat itama.
However, this Machiavellian way to deal with the botting issue obviously has flaws and probably just worsened the scenario.
Now before people praise bots they should really think first about what the repercussions of their actions are. If Joey de Leon said “Explain before you complain,” I say, “Think before you act”… ’cause it’s almost certain that whatever you do without thinking would be a stupid thing to do, especially in the long run.
October 31st, 2007 @10:51 am
Finally more people will understand Kaliwanagan’s point. Great job MD.
And what Kaliwanagan said still doesn’t justify pRO botting–mass botting, KS botting, IRL moneymaking botting. So to all those who think Kaliwanagan is their botting hero, think first if you’re on the right track.
October 31st, 2007 @11:15 am
Puttin` my two thumbs up.. way up in the air, is not even gonna get close or even put it within the same vicinity of how excellent this interview was. Though unpalatable for some, Kali is one hell of a thinker still, I admire the way he perceives and the clarity of his thoughts in discerning the grand scheme of things.
Id go for LUs implementation of euRO’s Sub-GM volunteer program. If ever they will, in order to percolate the unworthy.. potential candidates should go through tedious interview and rigorous training.
October 31st, 2007 @11:18 am
It seems to me that he helps in developing Openkore for fun.
He doesn’t really care if players are using the program or not as long as he can satisfy himself with the achievement. He may not be a Pro-bot after all, but only someone who manufactures the temptation, then leaves it in the midst of human kind.
But it’s a good thing that he showed how flawed LU!s efforts are. If they really want to subdue most bots, then they would have performed substantial actions (e.g. Hiring more MPs).
What they do is simply rely on security systems sent by Gravity rather than taking the problem head-on. Maybe they unconsciously reason this out: If a good security comes up, then why bother to manually patrol Midgard to check on bots?
How difficult that is is not a reason for them not to hire. Openkore is an opensource program, meaning it is a non-profit project. Yet, developers work real hard to crack open new systems and develop better programs. Their achievements may have been enough for them to compensate their hard work.
October 31st, 2007 @11:18 am
People: “Cheating is still Cheating, no matter how we use it…”
hehe madaling sabihin mahirap gawin… ang personality ng isang tao nagrereflect sa kaniyang ginagawa. kaya kung anu ang personality mo sa pRO masasabi nating bahagi yun ng personality mo…
October 31st, 2007 @12:16 pm
@LU
Hire that guy. If that’s his POV then I’ll gladly like him to be on our side instead of confronting him head on.
@kaliwanagan
Siguro na lessen na yung bad POVs sayo since you’ve said your part of the story.
@Master Diwa
Sino na next ma-interview? /heh
October 31st, 2007 @12:18 pm
We can never tell to where thing we should have your side.
But me, I’m an anti botter and actually I am starting one of the (soon to be a large) army of anti-botters.
Seriously, we never build this Anti-Botting Campaign for nothing.
But this Campaign never just only kick out botters butt. But we want to maintain a balance and a fair play in pRO.
The programmers of OpenKore never expect of creating such a monster software.
But then, things are already there, we can’t just take it back.
However, we can still make things change.
We really need to put this botters out and banned.
We must left no botters unscathed from the ban hammer.
What I demand is justice and righteousness.
We can’t just say that we can allow botters in tolerable amounts and use them as “alibis” so we can make RO’s economy in balance or for people with very hectic schedules.
Why putting all these botters off?
We can’t just put off one, two or few.
Abusement starts when one uses and realizes its power that it can do.
Till it actually make bragging off the others that actually advocates them in botting.
Till we now actually realizes that more than the half of population of our servers are nothing but bot operated avatars.
Think about it. We can’t just retain even a piece of bot.
We must all eradicate it, if one abuses so do everyone does.
Stop these mess. Stop the abusement. Stop botting.
October 31st, 2007 @12:25 pm
LU ayusin yu trabaho nyu kung hindi kukunin o na kayo.
October 31st, 2007 @12:43 pm
i like this
“As I have campaigned over and over, the *only* way to defend against Artificial Intelligence is through Human Intelligence, not another AI.”
LU really did not do anything to stop the botters.
October 31st, 2007 @12:52 pm
BOTTERS LOVE KALIWANAGAN?hha.. astig.. rak en roll
October 31st, 2007 @12:55 pm
i told you, LU! ang my sira, sira ang pamamalakad..
October 31st, 2007 @12:55 pm
nice interview MD.. /no1
October 31st, 2007 @12:59 pm
be fair..
less talk more action /no1
October 31st, 2007 @1:10 pm
People: “Cheating is still Cheating, no matter how we use it…”
hmmm. so kung di ka nag ch-cheat sa RO e ndi ka rin nang cheat IRL? i dont think so o.O
October 31st, 2007 @1:30 pm
we love KALIWANAGANN.. kasi tinutulangan niya kami magkaroon ng social life… like gimmik and meet friends…. hehehe.. kasi we could play ragnarok while we are out side… hahaha.. kasi nakakapagbot kami… and also helps us to focus on the more brighter side of life…. MMORPG is not our life… we are not bound do play it forever… its only for pass time not for whole time… (if you know what i mean) and tama di natitigil ang openkore… kasi open source… the only way na mawala ang developers ay mawala yung mga taong gus2 mag bot.. which is imposible.. diba?? kaya bilib ako dito unlike modkore and yung isang bot(nalimutan ko yung name) na wala agad nung tinamad ng yung developers nila… hehehe… and para sa mga OA na anti botters… eto lng masasabi ko sa inyo… ingit lng kayo… and di niyo alam na kahit papano natulungan din kayo ng mga botters na pataasin ang economy ng sever niyo by bringing alots o zenny and napakaraming rare items… kaya wag na kayong magpaka plastic dahil kahit papano may katas din kayo ng bot..!! tandaan niyo yan!!
October 31st, 2007 @1:43 pm
@master_hacker
Oh man, using Kaliwanagan’s name in vain. You think mentioning his name in your defense will strengthen your cause? Dumbass, using the “social life” excuse for botting. You are a complete dimwit, a complete moron, and a sorry excuse for a person. You are the type that Goenitz calls the scum of the Philippines. Good god, you can’t even let go of RO when you need to leave your house.
If an MMORPG is not your life, then WHY DO YOU NEED TO BE CONNECTED 24/7? LOL.
Loser.
Sorry MD, I couldn’t help but flame this guy. His post shows no logic at all. Botter na nga, illogical pa, I’m really irked.
October 31st, 2007 @2:03 pm
I am also into botting. Di ko na i-explain kung bakit kasi alam ko meron pa magre-react. Sometimes we just have to choose the lesser evil, and I do my ‘crime’ given the following conditions:
1. NO to bot armies. Ok na ung character ko lng.
2. NO kill stealing.
3. Aside from botting, follow pRO rules! hehe
@Yralyn
It may also be possible that these people who bot are actually the “genuises” who spend most of their time studying rather than playing.
Wak ka po sana magalit… bigla ko lng naisip… Peace!!!
Sa tingin ko, in the end, it’s just a matter of discipline…
… do we follow ALL the rules?
… if not, do we break them properly?
October 31st, 2007 @2:23 pm
galing…sabi, kung anu yung pinaggagawa mo sa game, ganun din yung personality mo sa totoong buhay…
kung scammer,hacker or duper ka in game siguradong magnanakaw ka din sa totoong buhay…
kung botter ka, ibig sabihin greedy at tamad ka sa totoong buhay…(panu pa kaya yung KS bots, large armies of bot?…tsk…masahol pa sa tamad at greedy…kawawa naman)…anyway lahat naman ng tao nagkakasala eh..kahit gano kaliit na cheat yung ginawa mo kasalanan pa rin yun… nasa tao na yan kung panu magrereflect yung mga pinaggagawa nya sa kahit anung bagay sa kung anung talagang buhay nya…
Qoute from kaliwanagan:
“A righteous man is not righteous because of the *absence* of temptation; he is righteous because he *chooses* to become so *in spite of* temptation.”
para sakin mas masarap pa rin yung simpleng buhay..wala akong pake kung bagsak yung economy ng server or kung walang rare items…mas masarap pa ring maging masuccessful kung pinaghihirapan mo yung isang bagay…
masaya ka nga kasi mayaman ka at mataas level mo, la namang kwenta,..sigurado akong hindi yun yung tunay na kaligayahan…
mas matutuwa ako sa character ko na level 70 lang na pure manual kesa sa 99 na transcendent na binot lang naman..
tskk…nasa tao pa rin yan…
bahala na kayo sa kung anung mangyayari sa buhay nyo…kung panu nyo rin aayusin yun..
(botter ako…pati sa valkyrie nagbobot ako…pero nung nabasa ko tong interview, nawalan na ko ng ganang mag-bot…(gusto ko kasing magbago pati yung personality ko sa totoong buhay, yoko ng maging tamad at greedy, (sloth and greed, two of the most deadly sins…)hindi na ko magbobot sa valkyrie…gagawa ako nag bagong account..yung pure manual mula level 1 hanggang sa magtranscend…)
October 31st, 2007 @2:35 pm
a very enlighting interview…
October 31st, 2007 @2:49 pm
Great interview Diwa.
I just want to share that without botting, my character (not even in trans class - kasi hindi pa uso trans class nun) reached level 99 in 1 and a half years - seriously - and this was when I tried to squeeze in my gaming along with my work and “social life.”. I created my character in the year 2003. ^^;
If I did bot my character, I would have reached 99 in what, a week or even less. I have no qualms with botters, but what annoyed me a lot were bot harvesters - who didn’t pay for load, harvested for zenny, then these zennies were sold for PHP.
Hindi na nga kayo bumabayad, kinarir niyo pa yung laro and created a ‘business’ out of it.
October 31st, 2007 @2:56 pm
nice interview….although a lil bit too harsh, reality-speaking.
October 31st, 2007 @2:58 pm
IMO,
If you’re a botter, it does not mean that you’re lazy in real life. It’s just that you have other priorities and you don’t want to be in front of your pc 24/7.
We can play that logic game of “if some Slicks are Wicks and some Wicks are Snicks, then it follows that some Slicks are Snicks.”
True or false? ~_~
Please don’t generalize, because it just shows how narrow-minded you are.
October 31st, 2007 @3:29 pm
Yes, he’s right. More transparency. Just get straight to the point LU!.
October 31st, 2007 @3:36 pm
Nabasa kaya ni Sousuke ito? Hahaha…. Well, the thing I liked about this is this quotation,
“For the vocal anti-botters, talk is cheap. I am waiting for you to take action - action is what matters.”
October 31st, 2007 @4:15 pm
wag kase abusado =))
@kali
/samba
October 31st, 2007 @4:15 pm
I guess di talaga matatapos ung argument between botters and non-botter, tanggap ko na yun. Pero I hope na huwag nyo i-generalize na lahat ng nagbo-bot ay tamad & greedy sa totoong buhay because that is exactly the reason kung bakit meron nagbo-bot - ung totoong buhay… Sa totoong buhay, hindi po puede na palaging naglalaro… Some of us have to work and study.
Not all players of pRO have the luxury of playing most of the time.
Sa tingin ko nmn, di na din namin maitatanggi na greedy kami kasi we want the best of both worlds (play pRO & work/study), pero ung sinasabi na tamad kami… PLEASE STOP TO THINK. Alin ang mas pipiliin nyo, ung tawagin kayo na ‘tamad’ ng mga pRO players because you opted to bot? o ung tawagin kayong ‘tamad’ in real life because you opted to stay in front of the computer playing when there are more important things to be done? I for one, choose the first.
As for botting in Valkyrie, wla po ako balak mag-bot at first, di ko nga alam na puede mag-bot sa Valkyrie. Just like most people, I wanted Valkyrie bot-free dahil akala ko madami ako makakaparty na katulad ko na ‘medyo busy in real life.’ Kaso mali ako… Wala nga ako makausap eh!!! puro bot… It seemed na hindi serious ang LUG about keeping Valkyrie bot-free. Kaya ayun….
October 31st, 2007 @4:27 pm
Sorry. Di ko pa pala na-acknowledge sina Master Diwa & Kaliwanagan…
@Master Diwa
Nakuha mo na ung 2 sides of the story. What’s next? I hope di mo pasukin ang journalism, ksi magulo ngayon mundo ng mga journalists… Blogs na lang. Appreciate what you just did!!!
@Kaliwanagan
dude, puede ba ako maging developer? interested ako… kahit taga-timpla lng muna ng kape, ok lng sa kin… all for the sake of learning… ^^
October 31st, 2007 @4:34 pm
okeih naman talagah ang bot . . sah commercial server’s, peroh sah valkyrieh . . wag naman sanah . . F2P eh . .
hmm . . seem’s LU is theh oneh toh blameh . .
October 31st, 2007 @4:38 pm
@Antipatico
Thanks dude. Blogging and writing is just my hobby. I’m a musician by profession, but I’m always open to possibilities. Whatever’s ripe for the picking.
October 31st, 2007 @4:54 pm
k: LU! has not been serious in its actions. It takes two to Tango, and LU! is not doing everything it can to ensure the satisfaction of its customers.
^sapul na sapul ung LU d2
@LU
marami pong players na gus2 tumulong sa inyo..
try nyo po basahin ung mga comments and suggestion nyo sa RB, para san po ba un if nde nyo man lng aminin n tama din ung mga taong nag bibigay ng suggestion to make the game more enjoyable again…
Nice interview…
October 31st, 2007 @5:06 pm
as always, another interesting update. keep it up MD.
it really is sad na ang mga pinaghihirapan ng ibang tao, pinagkakakitaan naman ng iba. i agree with what kali said about tools not being evil. -_- it’s not in the tool, it’s in the user.
October 31st, 2007 @5:20 pm
I understand what he means. He entirely is not a bad person. And he thinks thoroughly. Some should learn a lesson.
October 31st, 2007 @5:23 pm
@LU panis tlga kau sa bots!
October 31st, 2007 @6:02 pm
now i understand… thanks MD for interviewing kaliwanagan… atlis alam naten kung anu yung dahilan nya… ^_^
October 31st, 2007 @7:23 pm
waw.. naliwanagan ako sa sinabi ni kaliwanagan.. lol..
he isn’t as evil as i perceive him to be.. not like his greedy “underlings”.. he actually encourages them not to exploit the program and botting.. (well, at least not to the extent of having 50 bots every PC /swt)
thanks a lot, Master Diwa! ^_^
October 31st, 2007 @7:42 pm
I’d have to say that it is very well said… Great interview Diwa… You handled it like a real reporter (hehe)… I should know… My father is…
October 31st, 2007 @8:08 pm
nicely said kaliwanagan, napagandang interview at na express mo ung talaga gusto mo sabihin…
sana patuloy parin natin supportahan ung openkore sa lahat ng gumagamit nito, wag natin abusuhin un binibigay satin tulong, tulungan ang isa’t isa d ung puro panlalamang ang gusto sa buhay /samba kaliw hehehhe
October 31st, 2007 @9:24 pm
Do you think LU! will pay K’s talent fee as a programmer only for them to lose the profit obtained from botters???
You must be kidding me!!!
There’s so much hypocrisy going on right now, but I’m glad K’s answers were “safe” from being outright hypocritical.
I mean, having [helped] develop a successful bot program that is being used worldwide by a certain group of people must be very good ego-food. He’s right in saying his concern is the program, after all, the program is his (and his co-developers’) brainchild.
Openkore is practically a brand name to ragna fans.
And FYI, we are not addicted to Openkore, we are addicted to Ragnarok. We bot because we want to play, and openkore just made the playing easier. Why walk when you can ride a cab?
October 31st, 2007 @9:41 pm
k: LU! has not been serious in its actions. It takes two to Tango, and LU! is not doing everything it can to ensure the satisfaction of its customers.
^sapul na sapul ung LU d2.. ulit ko lang.. pra mabasa ng LU!. ^^
ganda ng interview! no1
October 31st, 2007 @10:00 pm
After all these years I have been 100% with LU’s side. But after reading this blog, 70% of me joins OpenKore’s side. Thank you for clearing your side of the story Kaliwanagan and thank your for a great interview MD.
October 31st, 2007 @10:36 pm
sa nakikita ko…
Bots deprive people the fun of MMORPG which is socializing with your fellow gamers.
Bots CAN be used if and only if you can interact with other people and cannot be used simultaneously. This removes the chance in which people can use it to make harvester bots and bot armies. Parang RO client, isa lang pwedeng gamitin (with the exception to those who hex their clients. Also, bots must only be used when you are CURRENTLY using the computer and is CURRENTLY present. This way, you can do other things with your computer and socializing at the same time. This also as if you are playing the game or a pilot is playing the game while you are doing something. To those who might say that Bot is cheating, yeah, it is cheating if you use is without your actual presence, but as I said before, if you must do something more important that playing RO, you MAY use BOTS if and only if you CAN SOCIALIZE WITH OTHERS. But if this is not met, you might as well stop playing for the duration that you need to do your job and do the things more important than playing RO.
eto kasi ang isa sa mga rason kung bakit ang ibang mga pilipino (karamihan ng mga mahihirap na pilipino), hindi umuunlad, di marunong magtime-management at money-management. Na conclude ko to dahil sa mga napapansin ko sa labas at sa TV.
Wag sana tamaan ang iba dyan dahil wala akong pinatatamaan.
October 31st, 2007 @10:37 pm
shame on you bot abusers…
October 31st, 2007 @11:29 pm
You need not be a programmer to entail the use of proper english vocabulary. It only appears like a literary accomplishment because not everyone is normalized to the use of proper english diction and grammar. Just as an aside.
October 31st, 2007 @11:32 pm
pinapadali lng cguro ng bot ang pglalaro natin ng RO..tsaka isipin nio hindi naman lahat ng RO players ay bata at wla masyadong gingawa…meron din ibang players ang busy at nagkukumahog sa thesis nla..(^^,)..ang ayoko lang kasi minsan ay may nakikita akong bot army sa 1 map..tpos KS pa..badtrip! ang maganda sa openkore ay hindi ito pwede magKS(kaso may mga ayaw mag-paawat at mino-modify pa nila ito para magKS)..minsan mas natutuwa pa ako sa bot kc hindi cla KS at tahimik lang..unlike sa valkyrie eh madami ang KS at yayabangan ka pa..yun lang…
sa mga umaabuso ng bot dyan wag naman sana ganun..nasisira economy in-game eh..T_T
pananaw ko lang po ito mga kuya…(^^,)
October 31st, 2007 @11:46 pm
@ kali…3 words! “I’M NOT WORTHY” Ü
October 31st, 2007 @11:54 pm
anu ba yan bot pinaguusapan nio 1-3 bot nde masama?? bakit ako isa lng bot ko nsa jail pa hayup na yan…pplvl ko lng hngang mag 90 pra mkapag biolabs lng tapos nsa 80 plang na jail agad….kalokohan ehh…
buti pa si Mr.K nakaka intindi kahit wala syang pera kagaya ng sa LU eh ang LU na maraming pera kung kung cnu cnu lng yta trip nila ibaban nila pra msabi lang na nanghuhuli sila ng bot..kalokohan nio !!!
November 1st, 2007 @12:01 am
This is a really good interview, Kudos to Diwa-Sama for a Job well done.
It really shows the Positive and Negative effects of OpenKore. Now atleast Ma’liwanagan’ yung ibang people about it, so that the Biased-ness will end.
November 1st, 2007 @12:01 am
Sa Tingin ko controlled na ng LU yung pagbobot dahil wala ng teleport so sa mahihinang monster na lng pwede magbot at ende aggresive! It is not good for LU to wipe out all bots they must controlled it to a certain level. Ksi sa buhay ng tao kailangan may kontrabida at bida ende pwede puro bida ksi ende magiging masaya ang laro ksi walang thrill di ba. Maybe LU must provide maps for botting and on that map they should remove all rares, Parang Smoking and No smoking Area! Para yung mga ende nagbobot ende na sila makakakita ng bot. Minsan ksi nkakawalang gana yung maglaro ng walang makakausap ksi nga yung mga nakakasalubung mo mga bot ende nagrereply pag kinakausap mo o kya magpapa buffs ka sa knila wala lng dedma lng. More power LU and Openkore!!!!
November 1st, 2007 @1:05 am
Sana hindi na mag text typing ang mga tao.
Sakit sa ulo.
Hahay. Same excuses from botters. /swt Well, as long as you’re all not making a business out of the game, I guess. And as long as all of you’ve never botted in Thor and Valk. Whatever floats your boats.
By the way, non-botters aren’t always in front of their PC–this is a common generalization among botters which leads to their “social life defense”–you’ll find that a lot of them actually are busy with work, thesis, family. Kanya kanyang diskarte lang.
November 1st, 2007 @1:06 am
Botting per se is already cheating because it’s trying to shortcut a system that didn’t offer that shortcut; the ONLY legal bot in RO is the Homunculus system, and even THAT is questionable lol. But what I really think is the problem isn’t the fact that the tools exist, but rather that people *want* to cheat.
Sure it’s possible that the geniuses studying would cheat at RO or cheat at exams, but if they’re so intent on studying, would they even bother to play RO in the first place? Why would they cheat in exams?
The answer: because they’re absolutely desperate.
It’s simple enough really: it’s all a matter of priority. People who are desperate about leveling their characters will want to bot to help them level faster; it’s their pride on the line. People who think zeny or equipment is absolutely vital for their character will bot to harvest items; it’s either pride in killing or greed for zeny. People who bot may not perceive themselves as evil, but what do their actions betray about them? They want their status, they want their equipment. They’re not after morals, they’re after status and practicality. It’s a twisted attempt at fulfilling their fantasies at wealth, friendship and power (who said that people had evolved from the slave trade? We have botters who create slave accounts to do their bidding!)
The only difference between the botter and the other types of cheaters in this regard is that botting is the simplest, easiest and most lucrative type of cheating. Rampant KSing, trashtalking, duping, scamming, hellish overpricing, botting… all of them have just one simple root: excessive selfish want.
If there’s one thing that really makes botting annoying it’s the removal of the *human interaction* in the game. If the game is 90% grinding, then it’s the developers’ fault that they didn’t make the grinding aspect shorter, yes… but RO’s grinding aspect is actually shorter than other MMORPGs, and honestly, hindi ba yung mga closest online friends mo sa RO eh kaakibat mo sa paghihirap mapa-WoE o mapa-MVP o mapa-PvP o mapa-grind?
It’s the collective struggle, the collective effort of the group that helps bring the fun in the game, regardless of the scenario. It’s only when people think more about themselves and less about their friends in-game when botting becomes a more seductive tool to use.
If you want to bot, I won’t insist on stopping you. But remember, one more botter means one less person in game 90% of the time (almost non-existent really), and one less person means one less connection that could’ve been made.
If Valkyrie, or any server, is to survive, they need our help AS PEOPLE, not as bots.
[ Please, stop abusing bots, or stop botting altogether. But if you still insist on botting, don't come to us whining if/when LU gets to ban your accounts in pRO Valkyrie. You should be responsible for your actions, so if you get banned you have no right to whine even if you paid thousands of pesos for the equips, because botting has always been defined as illegal.
Ignorantia legis neminem excusat - Ignorance of the law excuses no one. ]
November 1st, 2007 @1:20 am
as much as possible sana, sa RB nalang yung discussion on botting.. replies lang sana dito about the interview. otherwise, irerepost ko dito yung mga tinype ko na sa RB haha. Thanks.
November 1st, 2007 @1:33 am
Before i was also one of the anti-botters, that was years ago. I played several hours a day just to make my char high-level. It led me to have failed subjects. After non hinayaan ko n lng sa bot. It helped me a lot kasi at least nkpg aral dn ako ng mabuti while leveling my char.
I bot my chars in freya, but when Valkyrie came gmwa ako ng mga chars (63 ninja, 55 hunter, 54 mage) and manually played all of them. Nakakamiss din kasi yung beta days wherein hbang ngpapa lvl ka, you can talk with others people pag pagod ka na or pag ngre-regen ka ng hp/sp.
Ngayon mejo nkkatamad na mglaro sa valk coz the population is around 9k+. How i wish na sana maging bot-free ang valk. If LU isn’t going to do something about this, ewan ko n lng.
@Kali
2 Thumbs up ^^ Ngkatotoo nga na ikaw ang nxt interview =p
@MD
Nice interview
@all
The best quote: “A righteous man is not righteous because of the *absence* of temptation; he is righteous because he *chooses* to become so *in spite of* temptation.”
November 1st, 2007 @2:22 am
LU! will not kill bots in commercial servers because the game time is valuable to both botters and manual players.
I’m not justifying botting but technology is about making life easier, especially if it’s for something you paid for, like game time in commercial servers. It’s all about getting the best value for your money.
Sad to say, you guys in Valkyrie will always be subjected to bot kills because you’re not paying for game time. Pay for it to get that benefit di ba?
If you want to go around that loop and try to get that benefit for free, THAT’s cheating.
November 1st, 2007 @2:23 am
And btw, Diwa, that knife metaphor that you illlustrated cracked me up. Why didn’t you use a katar instead? LOL
November 1st, 2007 @5:53 am
Is it really possible to totally stop botting in pRO?
k: If by totally stop botting you mean completely prevent any kind of third party program to enter, then that is impossible. Technology always has its limitations. However, if you mean a system to immediately rectify any breaches of game integrity, then with the proper amount of corporate will it is possible.
If the real Ragnadefender gets implemented in pRO. Will that finally make you stop from updating kore?
k: I haven’t updated OpenKore in a long time - my function has shifted more and more towards mentoring new developers. I may not be updating it, and maybe no one else from the team will, but there will always be somebody with the technical expertise to do so. That is the power of Open Source - even if all the original creators of the software are gone, there is nothing to prevent another person from continuing the project. It’s the ultimate guarantee.
Tama sabi ni Sir Kali since Openkore is an Open Source program It is imposible to eradicate bots, Maybe LU should think of something to control them (BOTS) like the No Teleport and the 5% level down idea! More Power LU and Openkore!!
November 1st, 2007 @7:18 am
3rd party programs are not that illegal. Ang meaning kasi ng 3rd party programs ay nakakalimutan natin. Substitute to sa isang main program. Ang dami kayang 3rd party programs dyan like sa mga simple programs nalang gaya ng mga word processors, photo editing, etc. Like internet explorer and mozilla firefox. Pati nga mga drivers, firmwares, meron mga 3rd parties eh. Eh kung di nyo parin alam kung anong meaning ng 3rd party, ewan ko nlng sa inyo.
The issue here is the AI. Automated sya. Sa panahon natin ngayon, trend na talaga ang pag-o-automate. Ang mga search engines, they use bots or spiders para makakalap ng information para sa kanilang mga databases. Ginagawa ito for easier task. Ganun din dito.
(Botter din ako. Pero kakabalik ko lang ngayon sa RO ngayong nagbukas ang Valkyrie. 1.5 years akong nagstop dahil sa pag-aaral ko. Scholar kasi ako sa school. I bot my character minsan. Pero binabantayan ko. Hindi ako nagbobot na iniiwan ko)
November 1st, 2007 @7:28 am
Saludo ako sayo Kaliwanagan!
panalo mga sagut mo kung tumakbo kang Brgy Captain malamang sayo mapupunta boto ko!
isa kang ALAMAt!
November 1st, 2007 @8:02 am
posting crap like this does not help at all.
November 1st, 2007 @9:11 am
buti hindi na 1 sided ang issue na ito..narinig na side ng botters..the past few years kasi lagi nalang mga anti-botters ang comment ng comment..(^^,)
November 1st, 2007 @9:39 am
Nice post. Good luck na lang sa bottters/non-botters. Wag na kac tayo mag-away away. Whether we like it or not, botting is already a part of pRO culture. :p
November 1st, 2007 @11:10 am
I think it was explicitly stated in the user license agreement that you shouldn’t use 3rd party programs. That alone makes botting illegal, because you agreed to play without third party programs like bots.
Now until LU rectifies their license agreement and policies, botting will always be illegal and thus will be the object of Mr. Goenitz’s wrath /gg
November 1st, 2007 @11:30 am
whose wrath?
do I feel anything coming?
oh.
Ohhh….
THAT wrath….. now I get it.
er… when is it coming?
*shrug*
ok I’ll just go keep botting then.
November 1st, 2007 @3:44 pm
I find it disturbing that there are that many people with twisted ideologies. Yun bang “kahit ano na, basta makalamang.”
Seriously. Very disturbing.
November 1st, 2007 @5:02 pm
u guys know that bot are like a mosquito… who ever OK bites its infected lol.. but eventho its infected a matter of time the infection will disappear it means if u caught using BOT then u have to face the truth.. hahaha
November 1st, 2007 @6:17 pm
bot is indeed like cockroaches..you kill one..another one appears(or maybe you kill one more of them appears?)..kill all bots?..impossible..lessen?…yes, it is possible…
November 1st, 2007 @6:25 pm
i love this guy hehehe
November 1st, 2007 @7:09 pm
binigyan tau ng kaliwanagan ni kaliwanagan! Haha
I tell my friends na kung employee lang ako ng lvl up and nanghuhuli ako ng bots, napakadami nang nakakulong na bot.
LU does need to get more serious. . .
November 1st, 2007 @10:21 pm
alam nyu ba kung bkit ayaw alisin ng LU ang bot? kahit kaya nmn nilang gawin? khit bobong scriptor kaya gumawa ng anti-bot khit sabihin na ntin free lng pede nila makuha. maraming forums dyan about ragnarok scripting na pede mag bigay ng ganyang script. pero tlgang ayaw nila alisin dhil dyan sila kumikita. MD ung interview ko dun na lng sa mIRC ./s irc.deltaanime.net #astig
November 2nd, 2007 @12:56 am
Kudos to kali
OpenKore is to be used, not abused. (by bot farmers, killstealers and zenny sellers). That is all, good night.
November 2nd, 2007 @9:39 am
mag quit nalang tayo at nakaka bili na ng gamet sa GM ! PHP ! kahit ano +10 boss card anything you want basta wag lang masyado halata. wiwipe ka tapos bebentahan ka ulet laki kita nga naman nila! hay naku garapalan na pamemera oi tag hirap ngayon ma awa kayo sa magulang ng mga bata !
November 2nd, 2007 @10:40 am
Heero and Kali are two different persons. And kali did not say that bot is legal. I am glad that some(less than 10 I think) are enlightened by kali’s words.
I quitted pro beacause of other problems. Especially the “PALAKASAN SYSTEM”.Did you know why character deletion was not allowed during RPC? Because guild masters and guild members before where hacked/deleted.
@leijohnn2
Magkanu na ba pa overstat nayon? Dati kasi 10k Php ngaun magkano na ba?
November 2nd, 2007 @2:07 pm
Very well said Kaliwanagan… openkore being open source is a great inspiration to us who modify openkore.. and dont worry even if KS is very much doable i wont oblige.. it will just ruin the botting thing ^_^ kudos to a good job over the years! ive been watching closely on your threads…. and ive learned a lot from them…
@master diwa
nice work interviewing the other side of the story! helps enlighten disillusioned fanatics ^_^
@LU
lol… like what kali said “it tickles” hahaha it tickles indeed
November 2nd, 2007 @5:25 pm
Boting in valkyrie right now is a different story not like in the commercial server that you can perform the following without limitations - harvesting, express levelling and army boting, Right now it is very difficult to perform because for sure you can not escape the wrath of the aggresive monsters. For those who are non botters don’t worry because bots now are no match to manual levelling, perhaps this server the valkyrie will not be like the commercial servers where human interactions is practically dead. Maybe Bots and human can now live side by side without hatred in their hearts. Correct me if im wrong Bots are part of the new technologies that the world can offer thus, if used properly without abuse will certainly help us all. To reduce the impact of unfair harvesting LU must totally remove or decrease the drop rate of the monster ussually hunted by bots (not loots). Again lets celebrate the arrival of valkyrie server because boters and non-boters can now live happily ever after!! More power LU and Openkore!!
November 2nd, 2007 @7:39 pm
Why not improve the earnings of LU.
Start the project of Bot defenders, watchers and etc. Then make an additional program in the game where the “Botters” who wish to maximize his opportunity and resources has to adhere clearance/buy specific stuff in exchange for Limited time of undisturbed Legal AI third party program “BOTTING” cause some players only intends to make his/her gaming experience on the edge. In other words prepaid license to bot any characters within the game in limited amount of time with guidelines in which the botters has to comply or suffer the consequences.
November 2nd, 2007 @7:43 pm
Well said Kalinawagan.
I was so enlightened with the answers kalinawagan gave that it made me think of joining the openkore team as my payback for openkore lol.
When I’m playing manually, I would rather have bots in the map playing than players who KS. At least bots know KSing is bad. Not like some idiots players out there who always KS.
Just my two cents.
November 2nd, 2007 @7:48 pm
@doublewin
prepaid license eh??? well it wont work imo. funny view though.. ^_^
@lio
very well said.. co-existence is the only way… unless LU makes a very challenging update to their anti-bot campaign… so far they have done a great job (sarcasm) with the removal of the GG.. ^_^ makes botting a lot easier.. hehe
BOTTING will never be abolished…. mark my words…^_^
November 2nd, 2007 @10:29 pm
napansin ko yung double edged knife sa picture is not a double edged knife at all…sana double edged sword nalang..heheheh…
November 4th, 2007 @2:11 am
I’d like to hear (or rather read) Mr. Goenitz’s comment on this. Hehe ^^
By the way, very well said sir Kaliwanagan and I agree with what you said. Tools are morally-neutral. its just up to people how to use it (for good or bad). Take example of guns. Guns were made to give threat to people so that they won’t do any crime. But, when people with bad intention got guns, they start to use it for their bad intentions. The same goes for bots. It was made so that LU! would realize that there’s a flaw in their system and that they should do something about it. But other players started to abused it and started to make bot armies and they even took advantage of the open-source. They even modified it so that it would Kill-Steal or even get your username and password. Such bad intentions lead to the ever growing bad reputation of bots.
November 4th, 2007 @4:25 am
PIRATES guildmembers most of them have huge # of fucking bot armies…
cla lng tlga na guild ang mdmi nun..
ksi pg sumali ka sa guild nila..ngbebenta cla ng bot sa mga kasmahan nila ,,,kea aun..1 tym panga may ng-offer ng dupli..waaaa,,,sama tlga..bot armies na nga cla….kill steal pa..kea stay away from that guild..ksi ipapareport ko na cla…
November 4th, 2007 @4:28 am
uu nga,.,master diwa…ung guild na pirates tlgang mga PK lgi,…bot armies nmn..kill steal pa…kakaasar tlga cla
November 4th, 2007 @4:28 am
asar tlga ang guild na pirates…
wla gnwang mganda
November 4th, 2007 @9:10 am
Meeting of the great minds. /no1
November 4th, 2007 @4:26 pm
“Guns don’t kill people, people kill people”
Sounds similar to what was said above. However, not everyone is enlightened enough to use a “tool” like a bot the right way. It all boils down to the person/player/user. If the tool is widely distributed, it is up to the proper authorities to monitor the usage of the tool, to keep it in check. That said, who is the authority?…
November 5th, 2007 @5:38 am
@shh ^^
Actually guns were made as part of an ARMS RACE, and not as a self-protective measure. You should read up on your history before commenting on a philosophical/opinionated perspective. And bots were never, EVER made in a neutral perspective… even in the first days of OK it wasn’t a “oh I’ll just make something and see what comes out,” it was “I’m tired of playing manually so might as well get/make a prog that plays for me.”
You don’t make programs out of the blue with no objective, and bots CLEARLY were made to cheat the game.
Yes it’s highly unlikely that bot development will stall or stop any time soon, because frankly as long as someone will want to cheat the game, the bot program is the easiest and simplest “cheat” they can get.
Even though other sites/servers found positive uses for bots, it’s just like how guns eventually turned from killing device to defensive tool… it’s still a harmful device in origin AND still illegal in terms of use, especially in pRO Valkyrie where the logic of botting in a free to play server makes many “manual” playe